David’s choice to use a sling is a brilliant move as Goliath had no missile weapons (based on Egyptian depictions of Philistine warriors, his “javelin” was probably a second sword; 2 Samuel 17:6). This would seem to do away with all Amalekites, but in 1 Samuel 27:8 and 1 Samuel 30, we learn there are many more! Neither describes a little boy. David is deadly. David’s weapon was not a slingshot but a sling. I think its probably seriously broken at that point. | A tent peg | The jawbone of a donkey | A horseshoe | A cattle prod | Fearing that Saul wanted to kill him, what lie did David ask Jonathan to tell his father if asked why he wasn't at the king's table for the New Moon feast? When the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they turned and ran.” My interest in doing this is not simply to put forward some wild theory by a few “eccentric” scholars, but because I think this version of how David killed Goliath more accurately reflects the original text, and has a very significant theological point to make. Yes Tammy, that’s what I’m saying. When David was offended by the Philistine’s words against the living God, he volunteered to fight the giant. But none of the Hebrew soldiers had the courage to face Goliath … Thanks for the comment Howard. Favourite answer. In the Bible, these individuals were capable warriors (1 Samuel 14:1-5) who fought on the battlefield (1 Samuel 31:4-5). Goliath was killed twice. Hi John, Why did Saul become jealous of David? Fokkelman notes that the same Hebrew word is used in v. 50 and 51 to describe David’s killing of Goliath. Excellent article, Randy. David drops Goliath on his face to prostrate him before YHWH. http://bible.com/316/1sa.17.51.isr98. This was also a remarkable achievement as Lachmi also bore a spear like a weaver's beam. The weight doesn’t have much to do with it as the distribution of that weight does. Second, the brief glimpse of David in the king’s armor prefigures his royal destiny. Once with a sword. 17:39). Bible Story: David Kills Goliath; Ref: 1 Samuel 17:1-51. Goliath was part of the Philistine army that was going to kill the Israelites. I hope this is helpful, for at least understanding my reading of the text. 3. The apology also explains away the negatives about David which were likely circulating at the time (why David fled Saul, why he served King Achish of Gath, why David did not attend Saul's defeat by the Philistines, how David did not kill Abiathar or Ishbosheth, and so on). Fokkelman argues that “This Hebrew word means ‘front’ and thus is less specific than ‘forehead'” (p. 32). I find this “greaves” idea very compelling. In this account, the shepherd David persuades Saul to let him fight Goliath on behalf of the Israelites. Goliath could easily kill David with his sword--but only if David were foolish enough to walk right up to Goliath. NIV Says "David Didn't Kill Goliath"! David’s rejection of Saul’s armor is significant for a number of reasons. Joined: Apr 27, 2017 Messages: 72 Likes Received: 36 Faith: Baptist. A’ The Philistines saw that their hero was dead and ran. Goliath (/ ɡ ə ˈ l aɪ ə θ / gə-LY-əth) is described in the biblical Book of Samuel as a Philistine giant defeated by the young David in single combat.The story signified Saul's unfitness to rule, as Saul himself should have fought for Israel. For example, this law. If you google “greek helmets” as I have, you will be even more impressed with the protection offered to the wearer of one of these! With a sling only. A soldier from the 16th century, when armor was at its peak and heaviest, could fall off a horse fully armored and spring to his feet in the next step ready to fight. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I recently read that in the admonition against Jews eating pigs (pork), the Hebrew really said that they should not eat LIKE pigs , with a reference to their prayer life. Funny how you can subconsciously remember details you picked up from drawings/paintings that aren’t actually in the text! The sling was an incredibly accurate military weapon with devastating power (cf. Can we find a passage in 1 Samuel 17 that also demonstrates the ineffectiveness of the greaves? In this (fictional) story, Judah the son of Jacob kills a heavily armored Canaanite king by striking him in the greave (chopping off his feet is another translation). The writer does this to surprise the reader. You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.” However, I would encourage you to be less pessimistic regarding understanding the Bible when you state, “So, do we (normal Christians) really understand what the Bible means? How Did Little Boy David Kill Goliath With A Slingshot? Thanks for the article – I always love to be challenged in what I believe to be true- if I can’t have faith in God when my opinions and theology get questioned, I’m not much of a Christian. Likely the patella would shatter. If David struck Goliath on the leg, even assuming a broken bone, the Phillistine is by no means out of the fight. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.” How did Saul try to ensure that David was killed? Notice that he did not claim that David was too small, although even the tallest people today would be dwarfed by Goliath. i could see that knocking him down more effectively than a head shot. I’m sorry I’m not insulting you. With what did David kill Goliath? Not convinced; much less not convinced enough to say that the forehead interpretation is wrong (as your third point regarding common depictions does). Everyone who’s heard this story thinks they know. Many years ago the daugther of an American Rabbi named Ariella Deem wrote an article entitled: “… And the Stone Sank into His Forehead”: A Note on 1 SAMUEL XVII 49 (Vetus testamentum, 28 no 3 Jl 1978, p 349-351). Thank you! The point is that the biblical author carefully chose each word to describe Goliath’s armor and weapons, in order to demonstrate the ineffectiveness of each later in the story. David began asking around to see if there was a reward for killing Goliath (there was), and so someone went to wherever Saul had disappeared to and told him that someone was volunteering! Despite what Hollywood would have us believe, someone struck down by a projectile (e.g. [1] Baruch Halpern, David’s Secret Demons: Messiah, Murderer, Traitor, King (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2010), 10. Thanks again for your comments and for reading this article. Yes, David killed Goliath but indirectly because it was not possible to kill Goliath by a slingshot. David, as a young teenager and a shepherd who had been tending sheep probably since he was a very young child, knew a lot about tending sheep and how dangerous it was to protect them from predators. David carefully aimed his stone at the knee of Goliath. A chiasm is a “mirror image” and repeats what is previously said, usually confirming, contrasting, or adding to in the second half of the chiasm. I don’t think anyone is going anywhere if that happens! There is one more piece of evidence that further backs this interpretation. Apparently David was ready in the event any of Goliath’s brothers came with him or any of the other so-called giants that came from Gath. Some would argue that since the story says Goliath wore a bronze helmet that this would have been different from the typical Philistine headgear. He knocked them unconscious with stone from a sling and then went to get the sheep out of their mouth but if they woke up he grabbed them by the hair and fatally struck them with his staff. That I believe is the supernatural strength of the God of the armies of Israel. The only thing I would add is that if the stone was buried in his knee, he wouldn’t be getting up quickly anyway and the weight of the armor, however much it might have been, wouldn’t have helped. In order to understand how David came to power one must focus on king Saul and the Amalekites. David declared he would kill Goliath in the name of the Lord. B He struck the Philistine down and killed him I appreciate the info on the LXX, I hadn’t checked that out. “Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. ( Log Out / Because David was a shepherd and not a soldier, he had a different experience of dealing with enemies. David had to fight Goliath (and thankfully God used the fight to bring David to prominence) because the people of Israel accepted the PREMISE that Goliath had thrown out instead of determining for themselves what should be done. In the English translations you quote, notice that the KJV and the ISR98 can both be interpreted this way. After he killed him, he cut off his head with the sword. No leg shot accomplishes this. 2Chronicles 26:19, 20 (2 times) — about when King Uzziah entered the temple and leprosy broke out on his “forehead” There are various estimates at the speed a stone will travel when released from a sling. The words used to describe David here are gibbor and ish, respectively. Among the most popular characters of the Bible history are David and Goliath. We had an interesting discussion! 17:11). Main Point: Remaining with God every day is the key to trusting Him in difficult times. And when the Philistines saw that their champion was dead, they fled.” Thanks for your input Bryan. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In fact, 4 of the 5 items in 1 Samuel 17:5-7 are mentioned later and shown to be ineffective. David was only a young boy that time, and Goliath was a veteran warrior with an intimidating appearance. When David finally came face to face with Goliath, he declared: 45 “…You come to me with a sword, with a spear, and with a javelin. Further, the context of 2 Samuel 21:19 makes it clear that it is describing an entirely separate event from David’s slaying of Goliath in 1 Samuel 17:50. I can confirm that, except for a feminine ending in 1 Samuel 17:6, the words do look identical. I appreciate it! Here is the rest of what happened in Deem’s own words: “Thus the stone would hit the upper shin or knee and fall into the space which must be left to allow the knee to bend and enable the warrior to walk. I can imagine how much damage a carefully aimed sling stone traveling at 100mph would inflict to a knee (never mind one that is guided by the Lord!). Now even the unbelieving world knows that David slew Goliath. If u can read 1 Samuel 5: 1-5, you will see that the statue of dragon fell face down before the ark of the covenant. The imposing statue that oppresses God’s people, like Goliath, is brought down with a small Davidic stone. A thought: Some scholars (Dempster, Gentry) argue that the stone in Daniel 2 should be seen as Davidic and therefore messianic (the Son of Man in Dan 7 helps their case). I Samuel 17:51 ISR98 The fact is that armor was created to help and protect the wearer in any way possible and not to hinder or to slow them down. God wanted to have the Philistines killed. I like this theory. | OpentheWord.org. TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Theology KEYWORDS: bible; david; davidandgoliath; goliath. , Your email address will not be published. Note: Unfortunately, I was unable to find a copy of Deem’s or Wong’s articles available on the internet. Goliath Challenges the Israelites. With a sling only. Seems unprecedented given his staus. Yes, as you mention, there is lots of interesting material here to discuss. When the Philistines saw that their hero was dead, they ran away. Of course, that's the last thing David plans to do. And even more so if he was suffering from acromegaly and it was impacting his agility. — Looking at All Things Biblically – Jason Bible Church Member. However, the Hebrew word is the word for “forehead” but it is written like the word for greaves and thus is a wordplay perhaps suggesting Goliath got hit in the knee. It is for these reasons that I believe the stone only incapacitated Goliath and David finished off the job with Goliath’s own sword. Goliath wore a helmet of bronze, a coat of mail weighing 126 pounds (57.15 kg. What was perceived to be Goliath’s greatest strengths turned out to be his greatest weaknesses. The story of David and Goliath begins in a somewhat unusual way. So how did little boy David kill Goliath with a slingshot? Second Samuel 21:15–17 … The height of Goliath, the nature of the Battle as a Champion Ordeal, etc.. People tell me, "The NIV is more accurate". Then man is already heavy and with armor even heavier . David grew up to be the mighty king of Israel, as well as Jesus Christ‘s human ancestor. Probably not. 1 Samuel 17 KJV 49And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and … Merab, Saul's daughter. As another commenter said, if the helmet didn’t fit exactly right, or because of the angle, it could have hit Goliath in the temple- that’s also a pretty good place to hit someone if you want to knock them down. David did (1 Samuel 17:50) - "Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand." To assume that you somehow think you’ve found some interpretive discrepancy leading you to convince others that David was aiming at the leg and not the forehead of Goliath is to commit the sin of subtracting from and adding to or twisting God’s word, sins which Christ very specifically spoke against in Revelation. Boogaart’s analysis…seems best: Verse 50 is the narrator’s personal comment, stating that David ‘killed’ Goliath (eventually) and anticipating ‘the death of Goliath which is not recorded until verse 51.’ That is, David did not kill Goliath with an Israelite sword (v. 50); irony of ironies, he did it with Goliath’s own sword…Baldwin, 128, summarizes: ‘The stone had stunned the giant, and now the sword must kill him.'”. David had experience in defending the sheep he guarded with his sling and stones. 17:49). Goliath was 9 ft tall. As Goliath approached wearing his heavy armor, David recognized a vulnerable place in the big man’s attire. But the main question is: did David really kill Goliath at Elah or was it just ancient propaganda? #22 Joseph shall add, Jun 29, 2017. Reading the comments of those who responded to your drivel, I am saddened and angered by what has happened. He had done that often enough to give him that amazing confidence that he had because he didn’t have a shred of doubt that he would kill Goliath. David then took Goliath's sword, killed him and cut off his head. Hebrew narrative frequently summarizes an event and then proceeds to add further details. If there was any defect in a piece of armors ability to protect, it was quickly remidied. This is undoubtedly a questionable passage. Far from a pebble fired from a child’s toy, a sling stone was an especially lethal weapon. One reason for this is to impress the reader with how intimidating Goliath looked. How did David kill Goliath again? David did what we are to do. It found a hole in the armor and sank into the giant's forehead. Second Samuel 21:11–14 puts the passage after the death of Saul, who was alive when David killed Goliath (1 Samuel 17:31–39, 55–58). And as he [David] talked with them [his brethren], behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the ranks of the Philistines, and spoke according to the same words; and David heard them.And all the men of Israel, when they saw the man, fled from him, and were … Ezekiel 9:4 — God tells the angel to mark on the “foreheads” all the people who groan over the evil in Jerusalem. It has to do with placement of the blow and body weight. I would suggest the text strongly suggests and common sense would require that Goliath was either unconscious or completely incapacitated when he hit the ground. A friend of mine shared a video of a guy being super accurate with a sling which shows how accurate people can be with such a weapon. David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. https://www.biblestudywithrandy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/10-The-Savior_The-Lord-Almighty-Reigns.m4a. What happens when we have unquestionable passages? First, they either portray Goliath carrying his own shield and omit his armor-bearer (picture 1) who is said to be carrying his shield (1 Sam. To describe David as an amateur or fairy tale hero in this story is not only poor scholarship; it borders on the obtuse.[4]. Goliath, the giant of Gath, was easily 2.8 meters tall and likely bigger (see 1Samuel 17:5 - 7), which would easily be quite a bit taller than David! We all know the story of David and Goliath very well. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! David’s decision to use a sling and wear no armor was a genius tactical decision. https://biblearchaeology.org/research/judges-united-monarchy/4605-david-mighty-warrior-or-fairy-tale-hero, How Did Little Boy David Kill Goliath With A Slingshot? (for perspective, “google” a photo of Manute Bol standing next to his teammate Mugsy Bogues) Anyway… although I never gave it much thought before this, after reading your post I have no trouble imagining young David standing “eye-to-knee cap” with Goliath. Even if David was an accomplished fighter, how did he kill Goliath? 2 Kings 3:25; 2 Chronicles 12:2). I came to the same conclusion for a paper I did for Herb Wolf at Wheaton Grad School in 1985. Navigation: use the links below to view more comments. Thanks for your insights into the LXX rendering. Sorry to hear that about your mom. There are more accomplished warriors in Saul’s service, but David’s skill with a sling enables him to catch Goliath by surprise. 1 Samuel 17:51 KJV Little children know that David slew Goliath. Deem argues that the ancient Israelites had no word for “greave.” She reasons that since the curved shape of a greave had a similar shape to the helmet, that the Israelites simply adopted the word used for forehead. Modern soldiers in the U.S. military carry more weight on their backs in a ruck sack than a complete set of armor weighed from the 16th century. You can't do anything without me. However, the list of Goliath’s armor and weaponry plays a very significant part in the story that follows. If this is so, it is further evidence that David killed Goliath by striking him in the knee with a stone and finished the job by cutting off his head. Answer Save. He wouldn’t listen to the words of doubt from those who tried to dissuade him. If you accept Goliath’s height as 6′9′’ then he was probably about a foot taller than David. David carefully aimed his stone at the knee of Goliath. Furthermore, 2 Samuel 21:19 says Goliath was slain in the valley of Gob, and we know for certain David fought Goliath in the Valley of Elah. My own opinion (and I understand what that is worth) was that because soldiers sometimes stood at an angle towards the battlefield (strongest arm to the rear to throw a spear or thrust a sword), his left temple would have been towards David. Fourth, from a typological perspective, while the stone from Daniel is likely in view (the smooth stone David picked up) it makes much more sense that David (a type of Christ) would crush the head of Goliath (a satan/antichrist type), referencing Gen 3:15. Bible Story: David Kills Goliath; Ref: 1 Samuel 17:1-51. The Bible Project He was just a young shepherd boy, with no experience of battle, and Goliath was a battle-hardened man of war from his youth, but that meant nothing to David. Most of them, not only cover the forehead, but the nose as well. God bless, [4] For more detailed information, see Dewayne Bryant, “David: Mighty Warrior or Fairy-Tale Hero.” Online: https://biblearchaeology.org/research/judges-united-monarchy/4605-david-mighty-warrior-or-fairy-tale-hero. Who did Saul say David could marry? If there was a struggle it seems like the narrative would indicate so. The LXX actually translates this quite lose and adds through the helmet to Goliath being struck in the frontal. There is a lot here to talk about. Anyways, how did David defeat Goliath? Add to that the fact that Goliath was wearing 120 lbs of armor. The Hebrew word for “testicles” is a completely different word. 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